Query about victim groups

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Hi all,

Earlier this week I hosted a virtual speaker from the Northwestern University Holocaust Educational Foundation Virtual Speakers Bureau who gave an excellent talk on psychology and the Holocaust. During the Q&A, one of the students asked a comparative question. She mentioned that in addition to the Jews, others groups were persecuted by the Nazi regime and murdered during the Holocaust. She asked if that was unique or if there were multiple victim groups in other genocides. Both the speaker and I thought this was a great question, but neither of us had an answer.

In this one aspect, how does the Holocaust compare to or contrast with other genocides? If multiple groups were targeted in another genocide, were these groups targeted concurrently or consecutively?

Thanks in advance for any information.

Amy

 

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Hi Amy,

I know in the Yugoslav contexts, both in the Second World War and in the 1990s, other groups were targeted besides just religious or ethnic groups. In the Serbian example, in the Second World War, the Chetnik program was to target "non-national" groups (i.e. those who did not identify as a South Slav) which included Roma, Jews, Albanians, communists and others. The Chetnik program also targeted "national minorities" which included Croats and Bosnian Muslims, peoples who could be considered South Slavs but not Serbs. Yet, I also found in the archives the lists of victims targeted by the Chetniks in Croatia who were identified as Serbs and Orthodox by the perpetrators. I think this can be explained by seeing the victims through the perpetrators' eyes and understanding that the victims may have been interpreted to be traitors, either because they refused to assist the Chetniks and/or because they openly resisted them (by joining the Partisans, the Ustasha, or other groups).

The Ustasha, for their part, never really identified who or what constituted a "Serb" which gave both the regime (at the top level) and the actors on the ground (at the bottom level) to interpret "Serb" openly and freely. This led to the purging and even killing of ethnic Croats and avowed Ustasha functionaries within the regime, but also an open interpretation "on the ground." Much like in the Chetnik example, ethnic Croats and Bosnian Muslims were victims of Ustasha killings. This has parallels with the Partisans, too, and can be connected to the "purges" in the Soviet Union and the targeting of "kulaks" by Stalin: anyone who didn't fit the ideological outline or who didn't adhere to the expectations of the Partisans (or Soviets, for that matter) was killed as a class traitor. This resulted in the "leftist errors" perpetrated by the Partisans in parts of Yugoslavia where many of the victims were deemed "kulaks" and killed, regardless of their actual "guilt."

So, if we're comparing to the Nazi program of targeting Jews, Slavs, communists, and other groups the Nazis had a more laid out and articulated program, albeit on an ad hoc basis. The Yugoslav example provides case-by-case examples without having any real definitions of what "non-national" or "national minorities" meant, or who constituted a "Serb" or "kulak" and who did not. This sometimes led to the arbitrary killing of what one may on the surface assume to have been "in-group" peoples. At the very least, it complicates our understandings of both the Chetnik and Ustasha wartime programs to target out-group populations. Yet we also see that occurring with the Nazis, as well, although as far as I know most of the Nazi examples were explained using Nazi rhetoric on blood quantums, accusing people of being communists or homosexuals, etc. The Yugoslav examples, to my knowledge, don't articulate it quite so clearly.

I hope this helps. Of course, I'm happy to answer any questions or to point you to other scholars or readings. Please do keep us updated on your student and their progress; they certainly seem like they're headed in the right direction with probing questions such as this.

All the best,
Stevan

Hello, Amy, In the case of the Holodomor in Ukraine, ethnic Ukrainians (mostly ethnic Ukrainian farmers) were the vast majority of victims, but the perpetrators (Stalin and the Bolshevik leadership) had no problem with others dying as well. It's not unlike the fishing nets designed to catch tuna that also catch other fish as well. And in the case of Ukraine, the threat that Stalin saw was losing the territory of Ukraine where 80+ percent of the people were ethnic Ukrainians, so the target was the Ukrainian republic (borders were closed to Ukraine) where most were Ukrainian but far from all. Andrea Graziosi is a good source.

Hello, Amy, In the case of the Holodomor in Ukraine, ethnic Ukrainians (mostly ethnic Ukrainian farmers) were the vast majority of victims, but the perpetrators (Stalin and the Bolshevik leadership) had no problem with others dying as well. It's not unlike the fishing nets designed to catch tuna that also catch other fish as well. And in the case of Ukraine, the threat that Stalin saw was losing the territory of Ukraine where 80+ percent of the people were ethnic Ukrainians, so the target was the Ukrainian republic (borders were closed to Ukraine) where most were Ukrainian but far from all. Andrea Graziosi is a good source.

Herero and Nama in the Herero genocide

Tutsi and moderate Hutus in Rwandan genocide

Concurrently in both cases

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone who has either e-mailed me or replied to this message.

Amy